Re: Did I get you right?

Jun 30, 2002,02:14 AM
 

First of all let me say I'm not sure my ideas are indeed correct.

I've heard three things: The GP opera movement is made inhouse, the Ghengis Kahn is developed in UN's very own development office and is thus inhouse and C. Claret is responsible for both movements. Looking at the pictures below I can conclude that the movements of the UN and GP are indeed one and the same (With some little design differences, especially in the front tourbillon bridge). So, not all of the statements mentioned above can be true. For me the most believable is the third option. C. Claret is used to the fact that he isn't very often creditted for his own work. So he can probably live with the fact that both companies UN and GP imply the watches are developed in their own studios. If GP would make the movement themselves I think they could not live with the fact that UN takes the credit. From all the three bridge tourbillon watches from other companies than GP it's known they bought the ebauche from GP. Futhermore I can believe GP is capable of making those tourbillon watches for third parties as well. But the Opera is far more complicated, so it seems unbelievable to me they also share this movement with third parties.

However the truth might lie in the middle. I'm aware the three bridge tourbillon is inhouse. So the explanation that only the repeater works (and automatons for the UN) are made by claret seems credible. However the UN tourbillon does not look like the three bridge versions at all, in my eyes. So it would mean GP makes the tourbillon ebauche and claret adds the other complication, but for the UN it also changes the tourbillon design. Or if GP indeed makes the complete movement, UN changes the tourbillon. Both options seem uncredible to me. So i still believe C. Claret is 99% responsible for both movements.

Again I'm not sure, actually i'm guessing. I also hope i wrote a little bit understandeble post

regards,
Joram

1)UN movement 2) UN tourbillon 3) GP movement


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yikes, Khan of course (nt)

 
 By: ei8htohms : June 29th, 2002-07:07
nt

Just read the comments below...

 
 By: JGV : June 29th, 2002-02:14
and it seems like it's a GP inhouse movement. However that seems a little bit unbelievable to be. It would mean GP is capable of making those highly complicated movements not only for their own Opera serie, but also for the UN Genghis Khan and for the Par... 

Did I get you right?

 
 By: Jaw : June 29th, 2002-04:16
Did you imply that GP's movement is made by CC? Can you clarify your ideas?

Re: Did I get you right?

 
 By: JGV : June 30th, 2002-02:14
First of all let me say I'm not sure my ideas are indeed correct. I've heard three things: The GP opera movement is made inhouse, the Ghengis Kahn is developed in UN's very own development office and is thus inhouse and C. Claret is responsible for both m...  

One minor, not directly relevent to the main issue point...

 
 By: ThomasM : July 1st, 2002-12:24
Hi, Joram, I would not say that all companies that use the Three Golden Bridges base, in whatever state it is delivered by GP, automatically acknowledge or publicize the origins of the base, nor would I be comfortable to accept the statement that GP would... 

Thanks for the insight...

 
 By: JGV : July 1st, 2002-02:14
Something bothers me about the fact that GP sells the ebauche of such complicated and unique movements to third parties. In my eyes it has a degrading effect on those movement. If you're capable as a manufacturer of making movements as the three bridge to... 

Mixed feelings...

 
 By: Jaw : July 1st, 2002-05:17
Personally, I sense that GP is proud of being a significant ebauche supplier to many houses. At the same time, mutual understanding prohibits GP from discussing the issue. And If GP comes clean on this, they risk offending customers, who may not order aga... 

GP definitely not only produces their own Three Golden Bridges Tourbillon movements,

 
 By: ThomasM : June 30th, 2002-12:12
they supply them in various states of finish and assembly to others, including C. Claret. The relationship of Claret to GP (and other real manufactures ) is such that I would not be surprised if they not only did additional customizing to the base GP supp...