what if one has to leave the Holy Trinity and one brand can take that spot ...

Mar 30, 2024,11:47 AM
 


to make it easy, put your answer in the TITLE smile
And if you want to explain your choice put it in the message


So  ... We have Audemars Piguet - Patek Philippe - Vacheron Constantin and ONE needs to LEAVE
Now the other hand one brand can replace the one that leaves.

Maybe let's have a few rules for the new entry

1- has to be a brand with a long history, so NO new and small independents as much as I like them
2- ofcourse high end finishing (no Rolex Omega, Cartier, Breitling, ...)
3- a lot of complications should be available 
4- Should be widely available so brands that make at least a few 5000 - 10000 watches per year


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OUT - Audemars, IN - Breguet

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : March 30th, 2024-11:51
I would let go the Royal Oak company And exactly for that reason ... If the RO would not exist the brand itself would probably be close to nothing
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Out Audemars, In Lange & Söhne

 
 By: dedestexhes : March 30th, 2024-11:55
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I second that

 
 By: VinnieD : March 30th, 2024-12:25
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Can't. Apparently, based on the arbitrary rules, the brand has to be Swiss.

 
 By: BigFatPauli : March 30th, 2024-13:56
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Yes!

 
 By: Seeks : March 30th, 2024-12:36
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Out Audemars

 
 By: sham1 : March 30th, 2024-12:18
In A. Lange & Sohne - the consistently high quality across the entire range make this brand a natural choice. I don't even like them as I prefer Moritz Grossmann and Lang & Heyne but these are excluded by your rules.
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OUT - Audemars Piguet

 
 By: vitalsigns : March 30th, 2024-12:24
IN - probably Lange, but a photo finish in the race with Breguet. I think AP will undoubtedly be the supermajority OUT brand.
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Out AP, and Breguet in. Lange a hard pass…

 
 By: ZSHSZ : March 30th, 2024-12:38
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OUT: AP - IN: AL&S

 
 By: fmc000 : March 30th, 2024-12:43
I really despise AL&S behaviour WRT "buying history" and that kind of nonsense but I can't find another brand that can satisfy the OP's requests. Maybe Breguet can be the other choice but their style is just not for me.
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OUT AP - IN Grand Seiko (Masterpiece collection level)

 
 By: agyzace : March 30th, 2024-12:44
One simply cannot find that level of quality anywhere else apart maybe from the likes of Voutilainen, Smith, Dufour and Rexhepi.
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I would out either VC or AP, and would IN Lange for sure!

 
 By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : March 30th, 2024-12:46
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Agree with most. Out AP- in ALS.

 
 By: nasseriq : March 30th, 2024-13:04
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Frankly

 
 By: blau : March 30th, 2024-13:04
I'd say VC and AP are both out and Breguet and Lange are both in. Patek, Breguet, Lange is a better 'trinity' in my book than Patek, Vacheron, AP.
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Out — AP; In — Breguet

 
 By: orahu : March 30th, 2024-13:04
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OUT: Audemars Piguet In: A. Lange & Söhne

 
 By: Dimardi : March 30th, 2024-13:18
It seems this is becoming the consensus choice, with Breguet being mentioned often too. The Grand Seiko suggestion is interesting and certainly worth considering too. My choice for ALS is based on their commitment to their high levels of finishing of thei... 
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Audemars Piguet (OUT) & Breguet (IN)

 
 By: lavrentivs : March 30th, 2024-13:34
The Royal Oak is overplayed and the La Traditions are lovely.
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With these extra rules regarding production numbers, I'd take noone out and put noone in.

 
 By: nafetS : March 30th, 2024-13:45
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Out AP, In Breguet

 
 By: @lberti : March 30th, 2024-13:47
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Like everyone else (because it's the blatantly obvious answer) AP out and Breguet in.

 
 By: BigFatPauli : March 30th, 2024-13:57
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out AP - in Lange

 
 By: mblum3 : March 30th, 2024-13:58
As I was reading the responses, I can see Lange, Breguet and Grand Seiko all being good choices. The fact that the level of finish is equally good across the board in Lange is admirable. You pay for complexity. The Seiko Micro Artist Studio would be very ... 
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Oops.

 
 By: mblum3 : March 30th, 2024-14:01
Didn't read the rules. So the micro artist studio is out due to very small production. Lange then.
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OUT: Patek. IN: Longines

 
 By: MichaelC : March 30th, 2024-14:02
Trying my best to be as blasphemous as calling any watch company part of the "Holy Trinity", especially during this week.
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I see your Longines and I raise you a Panerai :))

 
 By: Carlos22 : March 30th, 2024-14:29
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Why not!! LOL! ;-)

 
 By: MichaelC : March 30th, 2024-14:34
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They All Need To Leave... that marketing list is 60 years old (1960s)

 
 By: enjoythemusic : March 30th, 2024-15:10
Still waiting for how they were chosen, and who chose them to begin with? Answer this please. Simply stated, "What is the true criteria?" If it is sales, then Rolec, Cartier and Omega are the Holy Trinity for 2024 VC and ALS, perhaps, the others can go. B... 
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+++1 :)))

 
 By: amanico : March 30th, 2024-16:34
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Out: AP aka the OTP (one trick pony). In: Lange.

 
 By: ChetBaker : March 30th, 2024-15:36
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AP Should to go

 
 By: ANDLIST : March 30th, 2024-19:23
AP is doing cheesy collaborations with musicians, if you can call them that. I like the Star Wheel but that’s basically it. Patek is quality but also smart supply/demand and Vacheron has history and the most interesting pieces of the last 5 years. I have ... 
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I am in the minority here but I think AP is deserving of its place in the trinity

 
 By: andrea~ : March 30th, 2024-22:36
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VC out and Breguet in 😉

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : March 31st, 2024-07:33
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With the Ultra complication universelle AP has recently secured

 
 By: hora12reborn : March 31st, 2024-15:16
its place😉
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Out : AP. In : Breguet.

 
 By: hoseachandra : March 31st, 2024-15:21
I like breguet styles , they seems have great value for money especially in secondary market. You can find a 8K gold breguet which is way nicer than a steel rolex at the same price.
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Out - AP (only due to RO obsession). In - Breguet

 
 By: xto : March 31st, 2024-18:17
But then again, not sure I want crowds at Breguet Boutiques Breguet deserves podium but personally I like living in the quiet fringes
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Out-VC (AP close second); In- ALS (Breguet close second)

 
 By: Obeezy : March 31st, 2024-20:04
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Maybe AP should leave the "old" category...

 
 By: pfang56 : March 31st, 2024-21:07
Whilst others have stuck with tried and true designs and incrementalism. If we stick with that appreciation of the traditional generation of watchmaking, ALS would be my vote to replace AP (side note: surprisingly, sales of CODE alone recently equalled AL... 
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Nobody thinks JLC should be a candidate? I thought it was the 4th musketeer to be honest.

 
 By: Echi : April 1st, 2024-03:08
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JLC could even be above, as they are the Watchmaker's watchmakers, and as they sold movements to the so called Big Three.

 
 By: amanico : April 1st, 2024-07:41
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So true.

 
 By: Echi : April 1st, 2024-08:54
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;)

 
 By: amanico : April 1st, 2024-08:56
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UN aka Freaks that are post 2020.

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : April 7th, 2024-03:32
These are watches that are more friendly to my wallet but most probably will never buy as it suppose to be grail to me. 😜
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LOL!

 
 By: amanico : April 7th, 2024-07:26
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