The case and dial of the GP 8867

Aug 26, 2014,02:58 AM
 

Friends,



You all know that when I find a watch I really like, I try to find as much information about the watch as possible… 


The GP 8867 is no exception to this rule.


As I pointed out in my review, the case is very similar to some of the other well-known divers from that time.


You find the full review here: 


gp.watchprosite.com





As you can see from these shots, the cases of the GP 8867 and the Omega 2913 are very similar.





Both have diameter of 39 mm, both have 48 mm lug tip to lug tip and inside lugs 19mm.





Both have the same construction of the bezel, but the Omega is a bit thicker in total.


From case back to top of the bezel the Deep Diver measures 10.5 mm while the SM 300 is 11.5 mm.





Both have the screw down case back (and cool symbols on the back).





I have now got confirmed that the GP 8867 case was made by Piquerez S.A.





Piquerez S.A. also made cases for Omega at that time, but  not the Omega CK 2913, SM 300 which was made by Huguenin Fréres. You see the HF logo in the center of the case inner back.





Piquerez S.A. do not exist any longer in its original form but a member of the Piquerez family started a new company that specializing in manufacturing of small metal watch components and medical devices.


If you google you will see that many vintage watches you recognize uses cases made by Piquerez.


Huguenin Fréres are still in business and focus on metal work and gravure.


Same here, if you google HF you will find many vintage watches you recognize uses cases made by them.

 

The dial of the GP 8867. OK, if we now focus on the dial, it has an “air de familiar” right?





Many famous divers from the 50’s and 60’s have black dials, maybe that is the reason? Or it might have to do with who manufactured the dials….?


There were a few actors on the dial market at that time. Lemrich was one, made dials for Rolex among others.


Another big manufacture of dials was Singer, again used by Rolex, but also by Omega. 

Another legend that has a Singer dial is the Jaeger-LeCoultre Deep Sea Alarm.


Please see Nicolas post on the subject:


http://jlc.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-2/pi-5921118/ti-869128/s-0/


As you can see the dial I manage to find is not a completed dial, it is missing the tritium layer.


One thing I am curious about is how they make the numbers? Are the numbers painted on the tritium? Or….?





So, let’s turn the dial over and see…





Yes, as many other divers from that time, the GP 8867 uses a dial made by Singer!


Can you name some of the famous vintage divers that used dials made by Signer?


It is interesting to see, once you start to dissect a vintage watch, how many parties involved making one watch.

Today’s fashion that everything MUST be in-house made to be acceptable didn’t exist back then.


The question is, was the watches of lesser quality back then? Or do you actually gain something by using specialists for each part…?


Food for thoughts…


Either way, I LOVE my GP 8867!

smile




 


Best

Blomman

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Great details and very informative

 
 By: crown comfort : August 26th, 2014-03:07
you continue to be a great inspiration and the 8867 is also my favourite vintage GP Deep Diver. I'm on the look, but I'm very patient to find THE right one. Thanks again. CC

Thank you for your kind words, CC!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 26th, 2014-05:36
Be careful, not all that is out there are kosher.... Best Blomman

I'll pretend...

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : August 26th, 2014-03:47
I didn't opened this post :) It is better that way....at least for my mental health ;) Thank you again my friend Yours D

Hm, I better stop posting for awhile then....

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 26th, 2014-05:48
And let you regain your mental health! ;) Or.... I can just go on until you give in and join the GP club! ;) Best, dear friend Blomman

No they are not....

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 26th, 2014-05:50
If they where, I would have a bunch more of they! ;) Best, my friend Blomman

I don't see that as a problem, to answer you. At the contrary.

 
 By: amanico : August 26th, 2014-05:54
To each his own... Some know how to make nice movements, other make cases, or dials, or screws, or... No problem with that, as long as quality is here. Best, Nicolas

I agree!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 26th, 2014-06:03
To me, that sounds like the best way to get over all top quality and a most cost efficient product made. Today everybody strive for "in-house"... But look at the car industry, look at big champagne manufactures, they buy from the smaller to be able to mak... 

Another post t.b. bookmarked !.. Very nice write-up.. Interesting insights !.. :)

 
 By: hs111 : August 26th, 2014-11:03
.. Another very nice GP, strong in character, with appropriate balance ! Thx for your share and pics ! Best, also for your week ! hs

These kind of posts are ....

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-01:51
More challenging, to find information is like detective work! ;) Thank you, my friend - as you know I always try to find out as much as possible about our beloved tick-tacks. Best Blomman

Did you find a new dial?

 
 By: MTF : August 26th, 2014-17:36
Blomman Did you find a new dial? Was it without numerals on purpose or a reconditioned dial that omitted the numerals? Would they have cut out the numerals ala Panerai or used tritium paint? Finally, are those "fingerprints" of oxidation on the back of th...  

I found a dial.

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:07
NOS, but as I wrote, it is not a completed dial. The luminous (tritium) is missing. My guess is that the dial never got completed and put on a shelf to be forgotten until someone decided to sell it to me! :) Yes, the fingerprint on the back is not mine, i... 

A question about the non lumed dial

 
 By: cholack : August 27th, 2014-00:33
Hey blomman, I came across a watch completed with the unfinished non tritium dial. As well, the hands were the same shape as yours but again unfinished without the tritium application. What do you make of that? Was were these service parts or just incompl... 

Hey Cholack!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:12
Yes, I also saw that one. The dial is the same as the non completed dial I have (but in bad shape). I do not believe these were service parts. Will send you a PM. Best Blomman

Great presentation Blomman!

 
 By: MattS : August 27th, 2014-02:06
It's interesting how the GP has a more "chunky/beefy" look due to the thicker bezel. In that sense the Omega is quite unique! Matt

Thin bezel ....

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:15
Like the Omega is very uncommon. I guess it is more common with larger bezels due to the visibility under water. Thank you, my friend - maybe time for you to add a GP diver to your collection...? ;) Best Blomman

GP diver...

 
 By: MattS : August 27th, 2014-11:43
When I see yours!...well could be tempted!...I have looked more at non divers recently...some chronos and a pilot watch found their way home!...now if a nice opportunity shows up...who knows!?... Matt

Chronos...?

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-13:17
GP have some really nice chronos as well! :) Best Blomman ...  

Oh I know!...

 
 By: MattS : August 28th, 2014-00:24
stop teasing me!...an Olimpico is for sure on the wishlist!...one step at a time!...I wish to continue that game for a long time!... Matt

OK, I stop teasing....

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 28th, 2014-02:32
After this one! ;) Best, my friend Blomman ...  

Additional info about the numerals on the dial

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:19
Friends, After I wrote this post I put my watch under the microscope and checked. The numerals are painted on top of the tritium. See pic below. Best Blomman ...  

It is a fake.

 
 By: amanico : August 27th, 2014-02:24
You should send this Watch to me... :) :) :) Best, my friend. Nicolas

Same address as usual?! ;) [nt]

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:26

Yup, that's the one! ;) [nt]

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:41

A microscope!!!

 
 By: crown comfort : August 27th, 2014-02:29
what's next? A spectrum analysis? LOL Best, CC

But of course.

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : August 27th, 2014-02:50
Since forgers are getting better, you have to equip yourself with better tools... Na, I got it just to be able to make really big macros. The problem is the light that reflects all over our watches, so the results did become what I wished it to be... But ...